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Thread: Paying down debt, building wealth...hopefully!

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    Paying down debt, building wealth...hopefully!

    Hi everyone,

    I’ve been lurking and reading the boards for a while now and thought I’d sign up, introduce myself, and obtain some feedback from everyone. I’m a 32 year old female, engaged but no kids. I work as a nurse and my net take home pay is about $4000/month.

    I spent too many years in university getting a degree to make parents happy, then did another degree to make myself happy – so started in the workforce a little late, with a significant student loan *sigh* in 2005, at the age of 25.

    I spent my first working year saving money and paying off student loans. I also bought a pre-construction condo that same year, knowing I’d have a couple of years to save up my 25% down payment. Made a hefty down payment when I finally took possession in 2008 and proceeded to rapidly pay down my mortgage (I don’t buy much and live pretty frugally…and I hate the idea of debt. I did spend a lot of money traveling rather than buying “stuff” and have no regrets – my wanderlust has been satisfied).

    I initially maxed out my RRSPs, unfortunately in MFs that didn’t do terribly well…mainly due to fees and timing (bought most in 2007, early 2008) so don’t have much to show for it I’ve since continued to contribute, but don’t get too much room as I have a partially-indexed DB pension plan at work.

    Now I’ve decided to take investing more into my own hands…looking at solid dividend paying companies and index funds/ETFs.

    I moved from downtown Toronto to the ‘burbs in Oct 2010 with my fiancé…who doesn’t care about money at all. He has no interest in investing or ever retiring (he loves his job – I think he’s crazy). The good thing is that he too doesn’t spend much – we’re pretty simple people and what he does spend money on (his car – he rebuilt it himself, his videogame obsession – we’ve got a crazy 120 inch projection screen in the man cave) brings him an unbelievable amount of joy, so I don’t care how much he spends. He’s also now very good at saving his money (I take credit for that).

    We bought a house we knew we could carry on one income, just in case. We have good cash flow but didn’t have quite enough money for a 20% down payment (15% only after all other fees were taken into account), so we used a line of credit (p+0.5%) for the rest to avoid CMHC fees. I chose not to sell my condo – had I done so we could have bought the house in cash, but my mortgage is small and I knew I could easily carry it and make a profit by renting it.

    So here is where I stand right now:

    Assets:
    Condo - $232,000 purchase price in 2005 (can easily be sold for >$350,000)
    House - $187,500 (my half of $375,000)
    RRSP - $32,454
    TFSA - $15,434
    Non-reg Investments - $7522
    Chequing Account - $7,910
    Savings Account - $3,737
    Total Assets = $486,557

    Liabilities:
    Condo Mortgage - $58,508
    House Mortgage - $138,920 (my half of $277,840)
    HELOC - $2,271 (my half of $4,542)
    Total Liabilities = $199,699


    Net worth = $286,585

    Net worth = $287,200


    We both contribute $2000/month to a joint account from which we pay our joint expenses, then any money left from our pay (about half) goes to paying individual expenses, random extra mortgage payments, savings, etc.

    We spent this year paying down our line of credit and making some small improvements to our home (we do most work ourselves). We spent quite a bit of money this year on the house, but on things that are one-time or long-term deals (e.g. new water tank, refinishing floors, “setting up house” with some furniture (e.g. neither of us owned bedside tables, and we need them!), landscaping, buying tools, etc.). The monthly home maintenance cost should come down significantly this coming year.

    Our monthly basic expenses are reasonable, I think:
    $1375 mortgage
    $300 property tax
    $50 insurance
    $1150 HELOC payment
    $100 gas
    $60 hydro
    $20 water/sewage
    $500 groceries/eating out
    $600 home maintenance/setting up house/etc.
    $120 cable/internet


    There are places we can cut back on, like food and cable/internet – but really, those are pretty much our only sources of entertainment (we like to have dinner parties and eat quality food, and watching movies in our home theatre is way better than at the movie theatre) so I don’t really feel TOO much of a need to cut back. We can do better planning our meals and buying when things are on sale, however. I'm not sure how much utilities should cost (we're in a 1960s 2 story detached home, about 1400 sqft.), but we do try to conserve where we can. Any suggestions on our expenses are welcome.

    Our HELOC will soon be paid off (within 2 months) and our HELOC payments will automatically be redirected to our mortgage to accelerate pay down.


    My financial goals for 2012 are to:

    1) Increase my knowledge of investments. I've concentrated on living within my means, reducing debt and saving money, but now I'd like to work on building wealth. I expect wage increases to match inflation but nothing more, so I'm looking to increase through investments. I've done a lot of reading...now need to put things into action

    2) Maximize my TFSA and RRSP (not a lot of room as I have a DB pension which takes up space – unfortunately only partially indexed to inflation), for a total of about $9500.

    3) Double mortgage payments once HELOC is paid off.

    4) Build a portfolio of stocks with dividend reinvestment plans and refine my TFSA/RRSP holdings to build a nice, integrated, well-diversified overall investment portfolio.

    5) Get fiancé to start retirement savings! (wish me luck)


    So that’s it in a really large nutshell! How are we doing? Any advice/suggestions?

    Last edited by orange; 2012-02-01 at 08:50 PM. Reason: provided more specific values for assets and liabilities.

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    It looks like you've got it all figured out. Only thing I would suggest is to bank some more cash as your emergency savings account. You could hold this in your TFSAs.

    Good job!

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    Wow good job, looks great to me. Not even sure how you cold cut back on food and groceries if you only spend $500 a month including restaurants. We spend $450ish a month and never eat out, we've tried reducing but its not really possible without starving.

    Your utilities are also very low! Lucky you, you guys will be very well off in a short time!

    I guess the only place is $600 a month for maintenance? Seems like a lot to me, but you do have an older house and I'm not sure what that contains.

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    Hard to find anything to criticize about this plan!

    As a nurse, your income is "bond-like." You might want to take a look at Moshe Milevsky's book, Are You A Stock or a Bond?

    Here's a shorter piece on the same topic: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...WORDS=milevsky

    The jist of this way of thinking is that if your income isn't affected by stock market gyrations (i.e., if you are a nurse!), then the human capital allocation on your personal balance sheet is like a giant bond (when you are young). Thus your overall allocation - including your human capital - is already weighted towards bonds...which means you may want to include more stocks in your financial allocation than someone else (i.e., banker) whose income is much more stock-like (it fluctuates with stock market returns).

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    Is the condo being rented out? and if so, is it worth your time and effort?

    I would suggest you are quite heavily weighted in real estate, 86% of your assets are from the two properties you any 'correction' in the housing market can affect you dramatically.

    I personally would consider diversifying a little, selling the condo, using some of the proceeds to pay down your debt, and the other half to invest within other types of assets.

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    Agree with Samson 100%

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    Hi Everyone,

    Thanks for all of your feedback!

    @TRM - yes...I can always use a larger cushion! I don't really have an emergency fund...but the chequing account listed always has about that balance "just in case". My pay gets deposited into it, then money is immediately taken out and redirected to other accounts...for example, $2000/month goes to our joint chequing account to pay expenses. I didn't list the joint account at all because it's shared and because I consider that money to be transient - meant for spending.

    I've been struggling with whether to keep my TFSA for cash emergencies...but I feel like the tax benefits would be wasted if I did that. As well, it's difficult to convince my fiance that wee need cash for emergencies when his response is always "if we really had a big emergency, we have a line of credit".

    @jamesbe - we are very fortunate - the home we bought seems to be quite efficient. The windows were replaced about 10 years ago and everything is nicely sealed. Of course, my fiance is a furnace so our house is never warmer than 67F when we're home during the day (63F at night and 60F during the day while at work )...and I wear a million layers

    The maintenance cost will come down this year - it takes into consideration all of the money we spent getting the new house set up (e.g. our large back yard was a neglected jungle...it cost a pretty penny and many hours of hard work to transform it).

    @MG - thank you so much for the links. It's an interesting idea that I've been thinking about for a while. My job is much more secure than those of most people, and I'm pretty sure I'll have it for as long as I want it. Definitely bond-like. My asset allocation should probably be more risky, but I'm easing into things!

    @Sampson - it certainly looks like I'm overweight in real estate...and that's why I don't have any investments in REITs (despite how attractive they are). I'm ok with it though, as I'm actually far less leveraged and more diversified than most people at this age, due to the reasonable mortgages.

    The condo is rented out - and currently it's very much worth my time and effort...because it's new construction there isn't much maintenance related to the unit that falls outside of the condo corporation's responsibilities. I've thought about whether I should sell it - I don't actually want to be a landlord, but financially right now it's too good to give up. I also want to keep it for my parents down the line...when the time comes that they need to be in a one-floor home, they can live in it. But I'm not married to the condo, so you never know!

    I'll be updating the thread monthly with my financial position, to keep track of debt paydown, wealth building (however slow and painful it may be). I'll also be articulating what I'm planning to do with my TFSA ans RRSP money. Please feel free to provide comments, suggestions and advice. I want to hear it all - the good, the bad, and the ugly!

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    Welcome to the forum! We look forward to your replies and interaction. I would say you are responsible for your own success so far and so far you are doing really well.

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    Monthly Update

    Hi All,

    So here is a bit of an update for the month. Not a whole lot has changed. I had hoped to be HELOC free by the end of the month, however I ended up making a fairly large purchase this month that I hadn’t anticipated (NOT an emergency, so no e-funds were used…simply a large gift), so I will work on getting rid of the HELOC next month.


    Assets:
    Condo - $232,000 (purchase price in 2005) (no change)
    House - $187,500 (my half of $375,000) (no change)
    RRSP - $33,841 (+$1,387 = +4.27%)
    TFSA - $16,419 (+%985 = +6.38%)
    Non-reg Investments - $10,500 (+$2,978 = 39.59%)
    Chequing Account - $7,068 (-$842 = -10.64%)
    Savings Account - $3,778 (+$41 = +1.10%)
    Total Assets = $491,106 (+$4,549 = +0.93%)

    Liabilities:
    Condo Mortgage - $58,235 (-$273 = -0.47%)
    House Mortgage - $138,455 (-$465 = -0.33%)
    HELOC - $1,021 (-$1,250 = -55.04%)
    Total Liabilities = $197,711 (-$1,988 = -1.00%)


    Net worth = $293,395 (+$6,810 = +2.37%)


    I still managed to get my net worth up a bit, mainly due to paying off debt, increasing non-reg contributions and the luck of an upward stock market, which helped investments along. I have yet to make my TFSA contribution for the year, nor my RRSP, but I will be doing the TFSA shortly, hopefully. As for the RRSP, I don’t have a huge amount of cash right now, so I will be making monthly contributions throughout the year.

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    It sounds like you have a very good plan in place.

    If the condo isn't causing you too much hassle, keep it. My wife and I did the same thing in Ottawa. Kept our condo for a couple of years, until we got tired of playing landlord when things went wrong. It wasn't a new build, it was a 30 year-old building. Your situation might be very different with a newer build.

    We just managed to payoff our line of credit (LOC). Felt great!

    Continued success to you. No doubt you'll have it with the diligent tracking you've already started.

    My Own Advisor Saving and investing my way to financial freedom.

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