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    Davis, not sure if you were around during the times when one moderator ran the forum in the way you'd probably prefer. If you were, you know he drove away scores of long time users when he deamed threads such as "travel tips" off topic (even though many of the tips saved money). People come to this board because they've come to know the users, developed "friendships" as it were.

    There are other boards that deal with financial topics, but they are visited far more infrequently as the topics are limited. Believe it or not, people do think of things other than money, and enjoy talking about them. To split that up over a number of different boards would be to split up the participants as well.

    Imagine, discussing raising children on a different forum, probably not as interesting to people here...until you get onto the topic of teaching children about financial literacy...only those experts aren't on that forum...

    It's the same as those who complain when a thread goes "off topic", instead of seeing where the "natural evolution" of the discussion is going. I've often learned amazing things on threads that have gone off topic.

    Sure, sometimes things go off the rails, but other times they don't. People need to relax a bit and quit trying to regulate everything maybe they'll see some good come out of it for a change. Other ways of thinking aren't bad just because they are different from your own. In some ways, you're complaining about your own actions.

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    We have a small circle of Russian-speaking friends (Russian, Ukrainian, Jewish, Tatar - wer'e all the same here ) And we keep the tradition of celebrating New Years in a traditional Russian way - eating, drinking, talking and playing games till early morning. There're usually about 20 guests, with a few non-Russians (our daughters' boyfriends and some of the friends' significant others) And a 30+ year age difference between the youngest and the oldest - with anything in between.

    A few years ago one of the group started dating a Muslim guy, now they're living together and he's celebrated 3 New Years with us. He smokes, and drinks, and eats what we eat - and is very outspoken. We call him "our Muslim" jokingly, and listen to his perspective during heated "Hot Button" discussions. We all have Muslim neighbours and co-workers, but those interactions are usually limited by "political correctness"...

    Anyways, what I wanted to say - we're usually bored out of our minds at a typical Canadian party. But those who come to ours once - want to come again, and say there's no other place they'd rather be. Maybe because it's liberating to say what you think - and have a chance to change your views or keep them, and finish the argument downing the shot of vodka and hugging your opponent

    But yeah, a religious vegetarian non-drinker wouldn't like it there... nor would an early-riser

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    Quote Originally Posted by Just a Guy View Post
    Davis, not sure if you were around during the times when one moderator ran the forum in the way you'd probably prefer. If you were, you know he drove away scores of long time users when he deamed threads such as "travel tips" off topic (even though many of the tips saved money). People come to this board because they've come to know the users, developed "friendships" as it were.
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    ... that member went ballistic (insane) after taking on the (super)-moderator role on CMF.

    There are other boards that deal with financial topics, but they are visited far more infrequently as the topics are limited. Believe it or not, people do think of things other than money, and enjoy talking about them. To split that up over a number of different boards would be to split up the participants as well.

    Imagine, discussing raising children on a different forum, probably not as interesting to people here...until you get onto the topic of teaching children about financial literacy...only those experts aren't on that forum...

    It's the same as those who complain when a thread goes "off topic", instead of seeing where the "natural evolution" of the discussion is going. I've often learned amazing things on threads that have gone off topic.

    Sure, sometimes things go off the rails, but other times they don't. People need to relax a bit and quit trying to regulate everything maybe they'll see some good come out of it for a change. Other ways of thinking aren't bad just because they are different from your own. ...
    ... kinda agree.
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    I think there are just as many a-holes in real life but they are easier to spot and avoid. I know when I meet people in person from a board I tend to be more tolerant of their opinions on a board after that. Typing leaves out any nuances so tends to be more net and to the point.

    If my wife asks me how she looks in particular outfit, I am more gentle than if someone asked me about a particular investment strategy on the board. Real estate as an investment is one of those topics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Just a Guy View Post
    Davis, not sure if you were around during the times when one moderator ran the forum in the way you'd probably prefer.
    I wasn't, but you should never try to guess what someone else would prefer because you'll usually be wrong. I'm not going to get into the ancient history of this board, though. It doesn't seem like a useful discussion.

    The sort of comments that I have objected to here are different from travel tips or discussions about child-rearing. There have been occasions, fairly rare, where comments from a few contributors fall in to the category of "inciting hatred" of identifiable groups because they are based on lies. I know that some people object to be using words like "racism" and bigotry", but I have provided standard dictionary definitions of those words and shown how they apply to the specific comments. it is ironic that some people have told me to stop expressing my opinion when I use those words on the basis that I am trying to silence other people.

    One user, who has made repeated homophobic remarks even accused me of being "Slavophobic" because I criticized Vladimir Putin, but would not explain in what way my comments could be interpreted as being critical of all Slavs. When a discussion descends into name-calling, it's time to walk away. [/QUOTE]

    Quote Originally Posted by Just a Guy View Post
    Sure, sometimes things go off the rails, but other times they don't. People need to relax a bit and quit trying to regulate everything maybe they'll see some good come out of it for a change. Other ways of thinking aren't bad just because they are different from your own. In some ways, you're complaining about your own actions.
    I am not trying to regulate anything. I can't, since I don't own or administer the site. That is for other people to do or not do as they see fit. But again, you don't seem to like me challenging the offensive comments that others have made.

    I will also disagree with you about "other ways of thinking" not being bad. I have no problem with conservatives or socialists or libertarians or Marxists. Racists, misogynists, homophobes, Slavophobes, Islamophobes and anti-Semites, though, are just stupid and wrong because their"beliefs" are not based on facts or reason, just on prejudices and hatred.

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    The problem with censorship is that it's a slippery slope. You personally called for a removal of non-financial related threads...well, someone with the power to do it, tried it...and nearly killed the board. Having experienced it, and you not having, is relevant, because I've seen what happens.

    Sure, I presented reasons for travel tips and child rearing could be valid, so you don't object to them...but others did. At what point do we draw the line? Your standards? My standards?

    One thing I've noticed on this board, if no one participates in the thread, the thread dies, or at least becomes dormant. Your actions are keeping the "hatred" alive. Maybe walk away before it degrades down to name calling.

    I would point out that your objections are based on your opinion, not on facts. Expression of hatred or the non-expression of hatred doesn't "fix" hatred. Open discussion and bringing the hatred to light is how people like Martin Luther King brought about change.
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    On censorship, there are laws against libel, so don't think that freedom of speech is unlimited. Hate speech laws, in the opinion of many, are a logical extension of libel laws in that the target people who use lies to incite hatred of identifiable groups. Some people disagree with hate speech laws, but I don't hear anyone objecting to libels.

    If the owners of this site decide to limit the topics that are discussed, it isn't censorship. There are lots of sites where people can say whatever they want. CMF is not the only discussion forum.

    You're kind of flogging a dead horse here, though. As I've written above, I am ignoring the Hot Buttons discussions anyway. I realized that the discussion wasn't worth participating in. I did my best to support my opinions with logical arguments and evidence. Those who are hear to vent their bile at refugees or non-whites or other groups don't argue on that level. They just write whatever vitriol comes into their minds, so the discussion is pointless.

    MLK stood up to ignorance and prejudice and hate. When I've done that, people tell me that I am trying to silence them. I'm no MLK, so I am throwing in the towel, and letting the bigots have their cesspool.

    I admire the rational people who continue to participate in those discussions. I just don't have the stomach for it. And I have better things to do.


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