Fees - TD Private Banking and Investment Counsel
Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 10 of 13

Thread: Fees - TD Private Banking and Investment Counsel

  1. #1
    Junior Member
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Posts
    12

    Fees - TD Private Banking and Investment Counsel

    This forum is so helpful I keep asking questions! Thanks to all those interested enough to help. Here's my latest quandary.

    I'm a high net worth investor who's fairly passive but I've been paying 2.5% or so in fees to a boutique firm for yeeeeears now. It's time for a change. TD is proposing a 1.35% all in private counsel fee (and with the requisite charts showing great returns over the years) to pools available to their high net worth clients only. They are also proposing a $100/month fee for their private banking services.

    So my question is: Has anybody signed up with TD for these services? Are these fees negotiable? And if so to what extent? I guess those are actually questions....


  2. #2
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Posts
    376
    * The people who contribute to this forum, by definition, are those who do their own investing and so won't have any experience using those services.
    * Personally I don't think change for change's sake is really a good reason, nor is 1% lower fees.
    * Personally I would prefer boutique offices "where everyone knows your name" over the institutional bank services.
    * But none of that is of any real value as advice.

  3. #3
    Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Posts
    56
    Quote Originally Posted by whadoiknow View Post
    This forum is so helpful I keep asking questions! Thanks to all those interested enough to help. Here's my latest quandary.

    I'm a high net worth investor who's fairly passive but I've been paying 2.5% or so in fees to a boutique firm for yeeeeears now. It's time for a change. TD is proposing a 1.35% all in private counsel fee (and with the requisite charts showing great returns over the years) to pools available to their high net worth clients only. They are also proposing a $100/month fee for their private banking services.

    So my question is: Has anybody signed up with TD for these services? Are these fees negotiable? And if so to what extent? I guess those are actually questions....
    No, too expensive. cheaper buy a few books and do your own investment research rather than pay them to do it (which they may just have you buy their own products, where they will charge you even more fees and pocket more of your money, MER, etc).

  4. #4
    Senior Member humble_pie's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Posts
    6,396
    hmmmmn this is picturesque.

    folks who are capable of amassing a million dollars or more don't generally get up on message boards like this one to advertise the same, or to flog some managerial service, or to ask anonymous strangers in a helpless fashion whether they think fees can maybe be negotiated.

    in your own way you remind me of wealthy wundy, another helpless td wunderkind who likes to get his mama to run errands for him.

    so i keep wondering, has the td gotten really, really, really creative about posting disguised advertising messages here.

    if so, whaddyano td, please take note that rambunctious kid profiles with no money appeal far more to this board - that is, they generate more kind & helplful messages - than guffer profiles suffering with their millions.

    btw how could the td claim great returns over the last year. They'd be lucky to break even.

  5. #5
    Junior Member
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Posts
    12

    wow

    Humble, you sound bitter. I'm sorry if you feel the need to heap such disdain because I've been very fortunate financially. I also didn't know I needed my own toolkit and nails to post on the board. Fortunately, one very helpful member shared some tremendous insight with me on my problem in a private message so it indeed was worth it.

    And no mamma doesn't run my errands. I've earned every single penny with my own sweat, on balance have invested it wisely and am quite comfortable with all that it's brought me.

    If you want some advice let me know. Sounds like you could use some...correction...a bunch.

    Thanks to all others.

  6. #6
    Senior Member humble_pie's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Posts
    6,396
    precisely what i was saying. People who are "fortunate financially," who have "earned every penny with [their] own sweat" and who have "invested it wisely" do not wind up with a million dollars, asking anonymous strangers for tips about whether they should try to negotiate management fees.

    what drew my attention is your flogging of the td only. People in the circumstances that you claim to be yours do not flog one service. Normally, they are discreetly introduced to top-ranked financial managers by equally wealthy friends, relatives, accountants, lawyers. Normally, they meet with and develop a short list of several competing services to choose from. Normally, they are concerned with major issues such as investment philosophy; objective third-party evidence of portfolio management success over significant periods of time; intended frequency of reportage; biographies and backgrounds of the principal partners; membership such as CFA qualification in recognized societies that emphasize ethical conduct in discretionary fund management; separation of custodian duties from management discretion; psychosocial fit of the potential client with the firm; and consideration of the quality of eventual relationship with the client's heirs in the event client should become incapacitated or worse.

    the giving-up of one's important savings to a trusted advisor in one's senior years is a complex and profound step involving the above considerations and more. To reduce all this to a tout of one particular bank's offerings plus an anonymous request for tips about how to haggle fees appears bizarre in the extreme.

    as for remarks about seeking advice from you, surely you jest.

  7. #7
    Banned
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Location
    Mississauga, Ontario
    Posts
    702
    Why so angry?

  8. #8
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Posts
    249
    You were paying 2.5% in fees and still got rich, lol? You should keep paying 2.5%.

  9. #9
    Banned
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Location
    Mississauga, Ontario
    Posts
    702
    Quote Originally Posted by osc View Post
    You were paying 2.5% in fees and still got rich, lol? You should keep paying 2.5%.
    To a bank I think 'high net worth' client is just a person who has $100,000 in investable assets unless things have changed. No need to avoid the OPs question or make a big deal out of it.

  10. #10
    Junior Member
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Posts
    12

    thanks humble

    for your clarification. Assume that I done all the front end leg work you had described based on my prioritization of items similar, but not identical, to your list and narrowed the field down to TD for a whole bunch of reasons. Maybe if I would have framed my initial post in such a way, you wouldn't have beat my like a rented mule.

    Nonetheless, I've gotten some great help from this forum as I always do - thanks private messagers.

    It's true I've paid 2.5% for 13 years now. I'm also quite comfortable with where it's netted me relative to every relevant measure I could test it against. It is possible gang. Not likely I grant you with the benefit of hindsight and a rabid press. But possible nonetheless.

    I never jest with offers of guidance. I'll be here. Take your time.


Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •