How You Look At Workers

[andrewf]

There's a difference between commonly observed cultural practices and multiple murder of family members. It happens, and that means it happens too often, but I wouldn't describe it as common, any more than it is part of North American culture when someone kills their family and commits suicide, or someone shoots up a school. I think it is racist to say we should block entry to the country to an entire ethnocultural group based on the actions of a small minority of that group. Sue me.

[Toronto.gal]

1. There's a difference between commonly observed cultural practices and multiple murder of family members.
2. wouldn't describe it as common, any more than it is part of North American culture when someone kills their family and commits suicide, or someone shoots up a school.
3. I think it is racist to say we should block entry to the country to an entire ethnocultural group based on the actions of a small minority of that group.

1. We did not simply discuss the Shafia & honour type murders.

2. You're right, it's typical in NA to have this type of killings, which are not restricted to war-torn countries in the region:
http://articles.cnn.com/2012-07-08/a...ban?_s=PM:ASIA

3. Quote anybody that ever said that!

I'm out.

[andrewf]

I'll stop there. Suffice to say, you were the one who brought that topic back up.

[Saniokca]

1. Low paid workers

I find people can be rude and treat these workers poorly like at a Tim Hortons but they are really not paid a lot so give them some slack.

Low paid servers in a restaurant, I watch them and if they are short staffed and working as best they can I still tip them well even if they can't serve me all that well. I will even get up and pour my own coffee to help them out if I can.

Very late to this party but...

I disagree with this. In my opinion it doesn't matter how much one is getting paid. When you "give them some slack" you practically say that low paid individuals shouldn't be good at what they do.

This creates complacency and a sense of entitlement which I think are big issues in Canada.

[donald]

"give them some slack" and ''complaceny"-entitlement?(advice for the working poor?) the only problem with that is:Where are/would they be going??(i highly doubt many aim to be a tim's server)I find it funny that people would expect top rate service from low paid servers(in francise environments or other establishments that pay min wage)These people are truly trying to survive!It's not about if there good or not @ there job,hence entry level(think 24k salary a yr,with rent/car payments,single parent,and many more problems living close to the poverty line)Do you really think the 34 yr old server(example) @ tim's give a sh&t if your coffee order is wrong??I doubt it.(would you if the shoe was on the other foot)like kicking a dog while it's already down.

I do have sympathy for the working poor & cut them slack.I don't have any for a middle class or upper middle class customer who would actually complian about a server @ a tim's using the example above-that's my take.

[dogcom]

Thanks for your comment Saniokca, but I agree with donald here. As long as these people are trying I give them some slack, which means I don't appreciate if they just ignored me and throw the food at me or something. One should also note that at least these people are working instead of just going on welfare or whatever and you have to respect someone for that. Another point is many higher paid people who lose their job will not do these jobs because they think it is beneath them so they stay unemployed and I have far less respect for them then someone who does anything they can to stay productive and to survive.

[Saniokca]

I find it funny that people would expect top rate service from low paid servers(in francise environments or other establishments that pay min wage)These people are truly trying to survive!

They make sandwiches and pour coffee... do you consider hot coffee to be "top rate service"?

It's not about if there good or not @ there job,hence entry level(think 24k salary a yr,with rent/car payments,single parent,and many more problems living close to the poverty line)Do you really think the 34 yr old server(example) @ tim's give a sh&t if your coffee order is wrong??I doubt it.

Their personal issues are not my problem. They are paid to care. And they are paid minimum because the service that isn't too complicated to perform - if they can't, they should not be doing it.

P.S. I've worked many very low paying jobs in my life. There is a reason why I don't anymore.

[Saniokca]

Thanks for your comment Saniokca, but I agree with donald here. As long as these people are trying I give them some slack, which means I don't appreciate if they just ignored me and throw the food at me or something. One should also note that at least these people are working instead of just going on welfare or whatever and you have to respect someone for that. Another point is many higher paid people who lose their job will not do these jobs because they think it is beneath them so they stay unemployed and I have far less respect for them then someone who does anything they can to stay productive and to survive.

I don't have a problem with someone who is new and trying. If they have been there for years and still struggle then I still believe they should be looking for a different job. Service industry is not for everyone.

I completely agree with you - the higher paid people should get off the high horse (did I say it right?) and get a job that is available if they are let go.

Personally I am against EI altogether but that is another topic...

[donald]

Saniokca-i don't expect top rate service from a tim's employee pouring coffee and making sandwiches,that's my point.My expectations are low(ie if they screw up or whatever-im paying for the coffee that's it-there is no expierence attached to it)Now if i was @ the wynn or a 4 star hotel than ya i would expect to get catered to and expect staff to go out of there way.(but then again the wynn employees would'nt be the working poor)

[dogcom]

Although you do find many workers in low paying jobs multi tasking and doing so much you wonder if you would be capable of doing that. I think it is in undercover boss that they really see what some of these workers do for them and it is not easy.