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    Quote Originally Posted by Koogie View Post
    You might want to double check your headline.

    GIS ≠ GIC
    I stand corrected. Thank you. I tried to change the subject but did not see a way to do that.


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    SAGS

    What are DB pensions?

    I am sure I agree with you on some things you wrote. Certainly the system is very convoluted. It is like something out of the British comedy 'Yes, Minister!'

    I am looking for work in this difficult period between 60 and 65 where I am less employable but too young to go on the retirement dole. I am in fact on welfare. Have been for a few months. I am not proud of this. I have multiple chronic health issues but none serious enough to get disability. I want to at least get a part-time job but there are financial disincentives to do so.

    Yes, applying for this and that program is inefficient. I have to get an office desk just to keep all the applications, faxes, letters, emails and scans of documents. I am pretty much 'on the ball' but if someone had MCI setting in, well they will miss the gravy because they just don't know about it. In the late 1970s there were all sorts of advocates helping seniors.

    Beggars can't be choosers but there must be a better way.

    My choice would be different than yours - for one, a flat income tax requiring no lawyers and accountants. I find it strange that the government takes away with one hand (GST) then hands it back with the other (tax refund). What occurred? Someone was paid to do this. No corporate welfare either. No monopoly corporations like ICBC (a corporation is now issuing driver's licenses and they don't even do eye tests!), and HIBC (illegal for me to hire a doctor).

    There are some anomalies too. I find it very strange that own can own a 2 million dollar house, a Mercedes and still get GIS. Am I wrong here? GIS is based on income not assets, right?

    I can see the attraction for State socialist system as in some Northern European countries (downside - very expensive) or the market economy system of the USA (downside, poor people die). But Canada is neither fish nor fowl. My second biggest concern (never mind my major one for now) is national debt due to interest on the money supply paid to private banks. Nobody notices that major contribution to the national debt and how that affects less public money for other programs. Not a single political party is addressing this issue. I do not know the solution and even if I did know, nobody is going to listen to me anyway.

    Personally I dsilike big unions. The staff at the nursing home' my mother lives in gets their positions from seniority in the huge system rather than within the facility. There are great and poor workers but there is no community or family in-put for who gets promoted or fired. The nurses' union has an expensive public relations campaign of how they are so concerned about healthcare. I think lining their own pockets is more like it. Everyone looks out for their own self-interest. I just don't like the insincerity.

    All I can do is arrange put my affairs in order, trying to make my way in the world.

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    Crack dealer commenter: I believe you are correct. Some input from an economist please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhGreatGuru View Post
    And he didn't consider this to be "gaming the system?"
    Indeed he did consider it taking advantage. He gave away his wealth to his daughters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhGreatGuru View Post
    By "operating a cash business" I presume you mean you worked under the table and paid no taxes or CPP? And now I am supposed to pay for your GIS? I think I should forward your post to CRA.
    Actually I earned so little that no taxes were due. My understanding is that one need not file income taxes unless one earns over X dollars. Remember I was working only 8-10 months of the year in a manual labour business. I wasn't a heroin dealer. Not even growing cannabis. I did honest legal work. I didn't collect welfare. I earned my income.

    I once called and asked CRA if I owed them any money. They told me that they owed me money but because they hadn't heard from me for so long they cancelled issuing me anything.

    I didn't like complicated record keeping or signing forms. But most of it was political ideology. My attitude was 'I don't ask for anything from the government, stay out of my life.' I refused to even get provincial health insurance because I objected to the monopoly. In fact, what with my meagre income and expenses operating a cash business (supplies, advertising etc) I would have actually gotten tax *refunds*. And benefitted my retirement certainly. My principles of being a freeman, a sovereign individual, not a a cog in the corporate or State machinery - well, it worked against me.

    The reality is that due to not contributing to CPP except in my youth, I will get basically no CPP. My own fault.

    It raises questions as to what will the effect of geezer welfare programs be. Why will a person work hard, save their money if at 65 they can get $1400+ per month to live on because they didn't? Not a lot of money to live in Canada but plenty to live in third world.

    Am I consistent? No. Have my political principles changed? Yes, modified anyway. Due to age and experience,
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    Quote Originally Posted by HermesHermes View Post
    Crack dealer commenter: I believe you are correct. Some input from an economist please.
    You lazy, p-o-s, parasite loser a-hole. As you may guess I am offended.
    I can only assume the above was directed at me, heh, after my attempt to stand on your side of the discussion.

    Crack dealer, hah.
    I have never once bought nor sold nor ever used crack.
    I have once fallen in love with an ex-crack-head ex-whore in the past and tried to make a life with her in the past which is why this is a touchy issue with me.

    It lasted 9.5 years.
    In that time I've tried to extricate her from bad scenerios a number of times.
    I've travelled across this country to kick down doors for her.
    I've had fistfights with crack dealers and crackheads on her behalf, but after strike three she was out, this was my decision.

    Calling me a crack dealer simply because you can't imagine a worker making it outside of the parameters of the law is offensive to me.

    I did it, and I did it in the construction industry, the military, the forestry industry, and the agricultural industry, all through hard physical work and determination.

    You want an economist to verify my thoughts? I'm sure any number of well educated fools will be happy to share an opinion.

    My thoughts?
    I'm now with the rest, gtf off my forum a-hole, I have no use for a parasite like you
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    Quote Originally Posted by AltaRed View Post
    Can't believe anyone would actually say that kind of 'true' thing publicly. It's the ultimate in anti-social behaviour and moral conscience.
    Which do you find morally reprehensible -- the threat of reporting or the reality of the shadow economy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrPPincer View Post
    You lazy, p-o-s, parasite loser a-hole. As you may guess I am offended.
    I can only assume the above was directed at me, heh, after my attempt to stand on your side of the discussion.

    Crack dealer, hah.
    I have never once bought nor sold nor ever used crack.
    I have once fallen in love with an ex-crack-head ex-whore in the past and tried to make a life with her in the past which is why this is a touchy issue with me.

    It lasted 9.5 years.
    In that time I've tried to extricate her from bad scenerios a number of times.
    I've travelled across this country to kick down doors for her.
    I've had fistfights with crack dealers and crackheads on her behalf, but after strike three she was out, this was my decision.

    Calling me a crack dealer simply because you can't imagine a worker making it outside of the parameters of the law is offensive to me.

    I did it, and I did it in the construction industry, the military, the forestry industry, and the agricultural industry, all through hard physical work and determination.

    You want an economist to verify my thoughts? I'm sure any number of well educated fools will be happy to share an opinion.

    My thoughts?
    I'm now with the rest, gtf off my forum a-hole, I have no use for a parasite like you
    Sir, my apologies. You misunderstood. Poor grammar on my part. No, what I meant is crack dealer *comment.* Or 'commenter on the crack dealer'. Or perhaps more accurately 'commenter on the crack dealer comment'. I was not attacking you. Not at all.

    Of course you are not nor ever were a retailer or wholesaler in prohibited substances. I meant that I have no issue with people selling recreational drugs if they operate their business ethically (no fraud, theft or coercion). After all, for better or worse, the government is in the alcohol and tobacco business. My point was I agree with you. Unless you were being facetious, in which case I don't. The issue of hard versus soft drugs of course is a grey area.

    For the record, I should have directed my agreement to poster EDER, who wrote... "As I said, by your definition everyone is a government subsidized employee, even the crack dealer on Hastings Street."

    BTW, while we are on the subject of Hastings street -- tasty wholesome hot meals at Carnegie Centre for cheap. Hastings and Main. You might surprised how many office workers and students dine there among the rummies. Oops, I suppose looking at the skinny people of 40 years of age who look 70, with their teeth falling out and strange behaviour, it is not alcohol that is being overused, but amphetamines. Never figured out why we have safe injection sites but not bars for free beer.

    Is strong drug use a problem in other major metro areas of Canada also? My guess is most of it goes on in the privacy of living rooms of the suburbs.
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    Apologies as well, I should never have said gtf off the forum a-hole when what I probably had meant to have said was get your parasite ass the eff outa my country. My bad.

    You are ofc always welcome to speak your thoughts on this forum or any other.

    Of course you are not nor ever were a retailer or wholesaler in prohibited substances
    Of course.. why, did somebody say something otherwise??
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    "Of course.. why, did somebody say something otherwise??"

    Ah, you? "I have never once bought nor sold nor ever used crack."

    Therefore, it looked to me as if you were saying that you thought I had written something that implied that.

    We can agree to disagree on contentious points. I didn't come here to start a fight. Again, apologies for my poor writing.

    I won't respond to the comment about Canada not being my country.


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