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    Terrorist attack in London UK

    A shocking terrorist attack in London, at the British parliament
    http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/london-...tack-1.4035964

    This is quite horrifying. Obviously many of us have UK connections. I have some family in the London area and I haven't gotten a chance to talk with them yet.

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    Hardly shocking. Tens of attempts in the last 12 months in London alone. Successful murderous vehicular attacks by Islamists in the last few months:

    - Jerusalem on January 8th
    - Berlin December 19th
    - Ohio November 28th
    - Nice July 14th

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    ...but the most important thing of all is to make sure that James can have his laptop on board a flight and that emails aren't scanned for terrorist key words. Because that's what freedom is all about. And liberty. Did I say freedom? Not to mention western values. Those born outside Canada don't get liberty but James will very patently try to explain all the same.

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    Freedom means not living in a police/military state and having the ability to pursue life without excess restrictions -- yes this is a core value in US, UK, Canada. It could well be something that the terrorists are targeting, and want to take away from us, perhaps to force our countries to revert backward in time. It is plausible that the terrorists could "win" by dragging us down to their form of civilization.

    A society that is permissive and celebrates liberties does bring some risks with it. There is an inherent tradeoff here. Think of the justice system. Sometimes bad guys get away with crimes, and everyone is entitled to a fair trial and due process. Police have rules they must follow. Police and government can't watch everyone all the time.

    I know you don't like this terminology but these are core values in America, Canada, UK, Australia, etc. Many people have immigrated from all over the world to enjoy the kind of freedom that is unique to western countries.
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    One of my friends has a friend who was killed in that attack in July (Nice) who was attending a University in Edmonton, AB but went overseas to be an exchange student. Pretty f'd up when things hit close to home. Wrong place, wrong time...I couldn't believe it.

    And just last night before I dozed off I was watching "London Has Fallen". So right now my mind is just blown.

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    In the real, rather than la-la world, UK records on camera every step a person makes outdoors and communications are monitored, bank transactions screened, etc. We don't know how many lives have been saved, but we know of multiple terrorist attacks that have been prevented. And UK is a free democratic country. Also western.

    Today a lawyer was thrown of a rooftop in Moscow. He defended Magnitsky against the Russian government. Only a plonker would think he can explain the difference between freedom and lack thereof, and what life is like in the UK to someone who experienced it outside of chat rooms.
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    UK is paying the price for its 1990s refugee policy. Other countries are too. Islamists came in from Algeria, Egypt, Pakistan...The thinking was they would do no harm in the host country that gave them shelter. Couldn't be more wrong. Ideology spread throughout Europe and beyond. The genie is out of the bottle.

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    In a stunning revelation, police confirmed that the last Westminster terror murderer Khalid Masood had declared that he was waging jihad. Who could have guessed? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...sage-revealed/

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    Another islamic terrorist was arrested yesterday. Again, targeting Westminster, Khalid Mohamed Omar, was arrested before he murdered anyone.

    A few years ago Omar was on a Hamas support mission, which the Guardian claims to have been "apolitical" and "not religious".

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-Omar-Ali.html
    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...ammed-omar-ali
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    Quote Originally Posted by mordko
    Another islamic terrorist was arrested yesterday.
    Again this poster attempts to twist reality to fit his preconceived notions. There is plenty of evidence that there were racial motivations and mental factors involved in the first attacker on Westminster. He has attacked a white person for racial reasons slashing him in the face. He went to jail for that attack. He attacked another person with a knife. He was older than the usual Islamist attacker. The police authorities said the motivation may never be known.

    Facts are not important when a certain person is on a mission.

    http://canadianmoneyforum.com/showth...=1#post1538393


    On 22 March, the day of the attack, the Metropolitan Police said it believed the attack was inspired by "international terrorism"[70][71] and that they were working under the assumption that it was "Islamist-related terrorism".[72][73][74] On 23 March, the Islamic State-associated Amaq News Agency announced that the attacker was "a soldier of the Islamic State, executing the operation in response to calls to target citizens of coalition nations".[75] The Home Secretary, Amber Rudd, cast doubts on this claim.[76] Analysts monitoring Islamic State online said the claim appeared to be an effort to mask its losses in Iraq and Syria, adding that the lack of biographical information on the attacker and lack of specifics about the attack suggested it was not directly involved.

    Describing Masood as a "terrorist",[78] the Metropolitan Police said it was investigating whether he was a lone actor inspired by terrorist propaganda or was being directed by others.[79] On 25 March Neil Basu, Deputy Assistant Commissioner of the Metropolitan Police and Senior National Coordinator for UK Counter-Terrorism Policing, announced that investigators believed Masood acted alone, adding: "there is a possibility we will never understand why he did this".[80] On 27 March, Basu announced that Masood clearly had an interest in jihad, that his methods echoed the rhetoric of Islamic State leaders and that investigators have found no evidence he was linked with it or al-Qaeda.[81][62]
    People can make up their own mind as to what made Masood tick,what was in his mind when he perpetrated these attacks. Think for yourself.
    Last edited by wraphter; 2017-04-29 at 09:39 AM.

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