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    The latest Paris attack, just days before the first round vote is not a coincidence. Didn't think Le Pen had a chance, but now a communist does, too, if the polls are right.


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    Quote Originally Posted by mordko View Post
    OK, this is nonsense. In the real world countries with the highest crime rate right now will be places like Syria, Sudan, Somalia, Nigeria (not the Christian part but Boko Haram areas), Pakistan, Eritrea, North Korea and, yes, Venezuela. These places don't have crime statistics but they have A LOT of violent crime. And while Iran hangs gays and rapes women legally, I would also categorize the place as being infested with violent crime. And KSA, which is lashing bloggers and hanging for blasphemy. And places like Indonesia where Muslim mobs periodically ransack Chinese shops and murder thousands of people.
    I was going by the published crime statistics. You can easily see the list of countries ranked by violent crime rate, both in totals and per capita -- that was where my comment came from.

    You may be correct mordko that much crime in the third world is not properly reported, in which case, yes I should not draw any conclusion from those stats because the stats are unreliable.

    Syria is a great example, clearly one of the most violent places as the citizens are getting slaughtered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by james4beach View Post
    I was going by the published crime statistics.
    Well that's gonna be meaningful. North Korea, Syria, Afghanistan and Somalia will top the rankings for the lowest recorded crime rates.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SMK View Post
    The latest Paris attack, just days before the first round vote is not a coincidence. Didn't think Le Pen had a chance, but now a communist does, too, if the polls are right.
    Good point. Islamists routinely time their murders to try and influence elections. Putin uses Assange from Wikileaks; ISIS uses dumb-asses Ahmed and Mo from Parisian suburbs.

    The most obvious example of how successful they can be was in Spain in 2004. A conservative candidate was leading the polls by a wide margin. A train exploded and Spaniards obediently voted for a socialist government.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mordko View Post
    Good point. Islamists routinely time their murders to try and influence elections.
    Yes. The radical islamists actually want people like Le Pen and Trump -- it helps them.
    http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/30/politi...s-recruitment/

    ISIS and the radicals want hardline governments in western countries. It helps segregate populations ("us" vs "them") and helps fuel religious and cultural divides. The resulting mistreatment of muslims helps the radicals' story that the west hates Islam or that there's a religious war.

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    Quote Originally Posted by james4beach View Post
    Yes. The radical islamists actually want people like Le Pen and Trump -- it helps them.
    Yeah... Not so sure. In the example I quoted above, the Spanish terrorist attack was very clearly timed to help socialist Zapatero over Right-of-center Hose Aznar. The latest attack in Paris seemed to have boosted communist antisemite Melenchon more than it helped Le Pen (also an anti-capitalist antisemite but the opposite end of political spectrum). Conversely, Jeremy Corbyn actively helped convicted Jew-murdering terrorists out of principle and called other designated terrorist Islamist groups "dear friends".

    In western politics the alliance seems to be between the hard left and Islamists. The latter are very active in trade unionism and all the other movements traditionally considered "left wing". I doubt there is any love lost between Le Pen and Islamist although there are similarities (although, while a far right, she is far more moderate).

    However, if one looks at Muslim countries then the meaning of "left" and "right" tends to swap. I had an acquaintance who classified herself as "left wing" in Lebanon. She was active in a lesbian magazine but otherwise, being strongly anti-islamist, she would have been considered "right-wing" in the west. And she considered Muslim political parties fascist which, of course they are but not to our liberals. Another friend in Egypt - the exact same thing; having moved to the US he is now distinctly right of centre, having been "left" in his motherland.

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