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    Quote Originally Posted by SMK View Post
    ^ Got it now. But sometimes the past, and lessons from it, can't and shouldn't be forgotten.
    I remember a discussion with a Jewish friend and co-worker in Toronto about 15 years ago-somehow this topic came up-maybe it was started with German cars-anyway-he claimed (and this guy has a very large Jewish network in Toronto) that Jews don't resent Germans now but that Jews really dislike Arabs bigtime. Cue the politically correct outrage.


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    Quote Originally Posted by wraphter View Post
    Some people are still living in the past.

    It controls there lives.
    We certainly shouldn't allow past cultural resentments to dictate our behaviour.

    But George Santayana told us: “Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.” (1905, The Life of Reason)
    If you have something to say - then say.

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    This is the discussion:

    Quote Originally Posted by andrewf View Post
    Given Islam's unequivocal attitude towards Jews and their extermination (makes Nazism seem ambivalent), it would be remarkable indeed if religious beliefs were not a factor.
    First of all, Nazism was the most extreme and murderous form of antisemitism, period.
    In other words, although comparison between modern islamism and Nazism is justified (both virulently antisemitic, totalitarian and murderous), the way the comparison was made was inaccurate. Discussion is about the present, drawing parallels with the past.

    The following is going on a tangent, irrelevant to anything that's being discussed, even though it quotes my response to Andrew:

    And yet now there is a thriving Jewish community in Germany.
    This is more irrelevant silliness:

    Some people are still living in the past.
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    There is a difference between obsession and ordinary remembering.

    When a person talks about his own ethnicity day in and day out, it really is de trop.

    At some point you have to ask "What's wrong with this guy?"

    that would be you mordko.

    You obviously have an inordinate interest in Jews, imagined and real anti-semitism ,the Holocaust and other morbid subjects.

    At some point one asks "What's your problem mordko?"
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    When the subject is islamic terrorism and ones ethnicity happens to be Jewish then it's highly relevant. Nor is it really up to some random plonker to teach me what I can and cannot talk about, OK?

    Also worth noting, that the "ethnicity" was mentioned by Andrew and is probably not his own.
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    Providing historical examples of when Jewish minorities managed to live in Islam-dominayed societies is one thing. Islam today is not necessarily equivalent. Are there any appreciable Jewish minorities left in Islamic countries? Christian minorities are also being chased out & persecuted.

    The fact that Nazism was more effective in its antisemitism is another matter. From my (admittedly limited) knowledge of Nazism/Third Reich's evolving attitudes toward Jews, the initial plan was mass deportation & ethnic cleansing, but when that was determined to be logistically infeasible due to naval blockades, the Final Decision of concentration & death camps was implemented. I'm not sure how widely known in Germany among rank & file Nazi supporters what was being done by regime, or what the public's attitudes were. If we imagined a similar situation with millions of Jews living in an equivalently powerful Islamic country, the enthusiasm for genocide would be at least as high as in Nazi Germany.

    And we can at least take comfort in the fact that Nazism was defeated. Unfortunately, the same cannot be said for that other rather virulently antisemitic ideology-cum-religion.


    (and, not that it should matter to anyone, I am not of Jewish ancestry)

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    Quote Originally Posted by wraphter View Post
    There is a difference between obsession and ordinary remembering.

    When a person talks about his own ethnicity day in and day out, it really is de trop.

    At some point you have to ask "What's wrong with this guy?"

    that would be you mordko.

    You obviously have an inordinate interest in Jews, imagined and real anti-semitism ,the Holocaust and other morbid subjects.

    At some point one asks "What's your problem mordko?"
    Ok, a few final points before I put you on permanent ignore:

    1. If you go up the thread, the person who turned the discussion to Jews was you. See post #231. The reference to the murder of a French Jewish woman by a Muslim was not anything anyone raised in this thread until you did.

    2. I had previously mentioned that particular murder in the Islamofascism/antisemitism thread which had been started years before I learnt that this form even exists. You keep following me from thread to thread with your stunningly dumb comments. Obsessed much?

    3. As someone who experienced antisemitism and who is indeed Jewish and born in the USSR, I have interest in history, antisemitism and totalitarian ideologies. When the subjects are raised, I will comment as I wish and will be making no excuse about any of it.

    I have read way too much of what you have written and none of it made any sense, showed any knowledge whatsoever or was worth reading. My own fault, I won't be doing it again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by andrewf View Post
    Providing historical examples of when Jewish minorities managed to live in Islam-dominayed societies is one thing. Islam today is not necessarily equivalent. Are there any appreciable Jewish minorities left in Islamic countries? Christian minorities are also being chased out & persecuted.

    The fact that Nazism was more effective in its antisemitism is another matter. From my (admittedly limited) knowledge of Nazism/Third Reich's evolving attitudes toward Jews, the initial plan was mass deportation & ethnic cleansing, but when that was determined to be logistically infeasible due to naval blockades, the Final Decision of concentration & death camps was implemented. I'm not sure how widely known in Germany among rank & file Nazi supporters what was being done by regime, or what the public's attitudes were. If we imagined a similar situation with millions of Jews living in an equivalently powerful Islamic country, the enthusiasm for genocide would be at least as high as in Nazi Germany.

    And we can at least take comfort in the fact that Nazism was defeated. Unfortunately, the same cannot be said for that other rather virulently antisemitic ideology-cum-religion.


    (and, not that it should matter to anyone, I am not of Jewish ancestry)
    While most of what you say I agree with, the level of single-minded murderous obsession demonstrated by the Nazis was unique. And the industrial efficiency of mass murder has not and will not be surpassed. Yes, their plans and actions evolved over time, culminating in the campaign which dedicated huge resources to the murder of Jews in preferences to spending resources on the war for survival of the Nazi regime. Certainly suggesting that Nazis were somehow "ambivalent" at any point in time is wrong; Mein Kampf is one of many examples of just how crazy and obsessed the Nazis were from the start. And other minorities were also targeted to various degrees.

    The roots of the Islamist movements have close links to national socialism. And yes, Jews have been ethnically cleansed while other minorities are being targeted right now. Yes, genocides are being committed by ISIS and other islamist movements aspire to genocide (e.g. Hamas and Hezbollah). Yet none of it amounts to anything on the scale of the Nazis in terms of universal single-minded commitment to mass murder. There are still a few Jews in countries like Morocco, Turkey and Iran (although under constant threat and discrimination) and there are still large, albeit diminishing, numbers of Christians in countries like Egypt.

    Another important difference is that National Socialism, as an ideology, was all about totalitarian dedication to antisemitism and racism in general. There was literally nothing else that was essential to nazism. Religious intolerance and antisemitism do form a very important part of islamism but there is more to it.

    I also don't think that it's right to use the word "Islam" in this context; Islamism is more accurate if we are talking about the political movement which is trying to establish dominance. Yes, modern Islam is a backward ideology as >50 islamic countries demonstrate but really there is more than one type of Islam. For example, Ahmadiyya Muslims are peaceful and commit no terrorist attacks. They are themselves persecuted by other groups within Islam. Other individuals are only interested in the superstitious side of religion and don't support political, violent, misogynistic, Caliphate or racist streaks within modern Islam. Yet other Muslims are actively fighting Islamist movements, risking their lives (e.g. Tarek Fatah).
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    It is not only me who has criticized you . You continually insult members calling them racist ,ignorant antisemite for the most superficial of reasons.

    Look at how you referred to me today --single brain cell, irrelevant, silliness,random plonker which means idiot I believe.

    You are so abusive. Who are you to sit in judgement on me?
    Who are you to comment about morality,right and wrong?



    Go run away. I guarantee you will start insulting other people. You can't run away from yourself.

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    No go zones are a conspiracy, lol. Everything is fine, all cultures are created equal, the MSM told me so.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCE_vEdA9WU


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