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    Quote Originally Posted by andrewf View Post
    http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/t...iety-overview/

    Support for terror attacks in defense of Islam is roughly 10%, as high as 40% in Palestinian Territories and Afghanistan. Not one in a million as SPLC claims.

    There are absolutely shocking (overwhelming majorities) levels of support for death for apostacy among the large majorities in Muslim countries surveyed who want Sharia to be the governing law of their countries.

    http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/t...-about-sharia/

    I don't see how anyone can look at these numbers and not conclude there are some serious values incompatibilities between Islam and the West.
    The Myth of the tiny radical muslim minority

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    Quote Originally Posted by andrewf View Post
    http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/t...iety-overview/

    Support for terror attacks in defense of Islam is roughly 10%, as high as 40% in Palestinian Territories and Afghanistan.
    Not supported by your own link. From your link:

    In most countries where the question was asked, roughly three-quarters or more Muslims reject suicide bombing and other forms of violence against civilians. And in most countries, the prevailing view is that such acts are never justified as a means of defending Islam from its enemies. Yet there are some countries in which substantial minorities think violence against civilians is at least sometimes justified. This view is particularly widespread among Muslims in the Palestinian territories (40%), Afghanistan (39%), Egypt (29%) and Bangladesh (26%).
    Cherry picking trouble spots like Palestinian Territories and Afghanistan doesn't add weight to your argument. War, violence and political strife tends to radicalize those who are caught up in it.

    Quote Originally Posted by andrewf View Post
    Not one in a million as SPLC claims.
    Not at all what SPLC said. Their words were: "... the real number of Muslims in terrorist groups was between 85,000 and 106,000. That means that fewer than one in every 15,000 Muslims is part of such a group."


    Quote Originally Posted by andrewf View Post
    There are absolutely shocking (overwhelming majorities) levels of support for death for apostacy among the large majorities in Muslim countries surveyed who want Sharia to be the governing law of their countries.[/QUOTE
    Wrong. Support for making sharia the official law of the land varies. In countries across South Asia, Southeast Asia, sub-Saharan Africa and the Middle East-North Africa region most favor making sharia their country’s official legal code. By contrast, only a minority of Muslims across Central Asia as well as Southern and Eastern Europe want sharia to be the official law of the land.
    From your own link:
    Among Muslims who support making sharia the law of the land, most do not believe that it should be applied to non-Muslims.
    Support for Sharia among Muslims in non Muslim majority countries is consistently low. You need to realize that there are individuals in our country who believe that biblical law should become the law in our country. Those folks aren't terrorists either. They just hold different political views.

    http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/t...-about-sharia/

    Quote Originally Posted by andrewf View Post
    I don't see how anyone can look at these numbers and not conclude there are some serious values incompatibilities between Islam and the West.
    Yawn. The cultural incompatibility argument has been used against Blacks, Asians, Irish, Italians, Catholics, Protestants and Jews. It's xenophobic nonsense. Some might even refer to it as Islamophobic nonsense.

    I wonder, do Muslims read polls about support for the shock and awe bombing of Baghdad and believe that everybody in the West wants to see Muslims killed by western bombs?
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    Quote Originally Posted by olivaw View Post
    Not supported by your own link. From your link:
    What you quoted does not contradict the point I raised. It's merely a different spin.




    [quteo]Not at all what SPLC said. Their words were: "... the real number of Muslims in terrorist groups was between 85,000 and 106,000. That means that fewer than one in every 15,000 Muslims is part of such a group."[/quote]

    Regardless, they are wrong to say it is only a trace attitude. These attitudes are held by tens of millions.


    From your own link:
    How generous. They only believe other muslims should be stoned for adultery, or executed for leaving Islam.


    Support for Sharia among Muslims in non Muslim majority countries is consistently low. You need to realize that there are individuals in our country who believe that biblical law should become the law in our country. Those folks aren't terrorists either. They just hold different political views.
    You're missing the point if you think terrorism is the problem. The problem is illiberal values that are incompatible with western values.

    Yawn. The cultural incompatibility argument has been used against Blacks, Asians, Irish, Italians, Catholics, Protestants and Jews. It's xenophobic nonsense. Some might even refer to it as Islamophobic nonsense.
    When in doubt, call your opponent racist. Islam is not a race or ethnicity. It is a set of ideas. Christianity and Judaism are also bad ideas, but not equally bad. You're indulging in cultural relativism. Who's to say throwing acid in the face of women and mutilating genitals is bad?

    I am all for muslims becoming westernized in values. That means islam, in its current form, needs to go. The people are worth saving, the ideas are vile. Ideas do not have rights and deserve no protection from criticism. We should have sympathy for the people.

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    Islam is not a race or ethnicity. It is a set of ideas. Christianity and Judaism are also bad ideas, but not equally bad.
    This anti-religious attitude is un-Canadian. In Canada the Charter of Rights and Freedoms guarantees freedom of religion.

    2. Everyone has the following fundamental freedoms:

    (a) freedom of conscience and religion;

    (b) freedom of thought, belief, opinion and expression, including freedom of the press and other media of communication;
    Islam definitely has similarities to an ethnicity. Ethnicity means there is a tendency to marry within the in-group. This is true of Islam. The incidence of cousin marriage is quite high in the Pakistani community in England.This has lead to a spike genetic diseases.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...dren-risk.html


    It's time to confront this taboo: First cousin marriages in Muslim communities are putting hundreds of children at risk

    The man wept as he told how his beautiful, dark-eyed child died in a hospital cot with medical tubes snaking from his frail body as nurses fought unsuccessfully to save him. Sick with pneumonia, the two-year-old gave up the battle for life.
    A rare tragedy, you might think, in modern Britain, with all the advances of medical science.
    But in the terraced streets of Bradford, Yorkshire, a child’s death is anything but rare. At the boy’s inquest, coroner Mark Hinchliffe said Hamza Rehman had died because his Pakistan-born parents (shopkeeper Abdul and housewife Rozina) are first cousins.


    He said: ‘This highlights a cultural and religious issue relating to first-cousin marriages and the potential risk to children that some medical experts say can result from such unions.’
    The coroner chose his words carefully, since he was addressing one of the most controversial — and taboo — subjects in multi-cultural Britain: marriage between cousins in the Muslim communities which has left hundreds, if not thousands, of children damaged or dead.
    This week, leading geneticist Professor Steve Jones, of University College London, warned that ‘inbreeding’ in Islamic communities was threatening the health of generations of children.


    Sadly, the facts speak for themselves. British Pakistanis, half of whom marry a first cousin (a figure that is universally agreed), are 13 times more likely to produce children with genetic disorders than the general population, according to Government-sponsored research.
    One in ten children from these cousin marriages either dies in infancy or develops a serious life-threatening disability.


    While British Pakistanis account for three per cent of the births in this country, they are responsible for 33 per cent of the 15,000 to 20,000 children born each year with genetic defects.
    The vast majority of problems are caused by recessive gene disorders, according to London’s Genetic Interest Group, which advises affected families.
    Everyone carries some abnormal genes, but most people don’t have a defect because the normal gene overrules the abnormal one.
    One in ten children from these cousin marriages either dies in infancy or develops a serious life-threatening disability.


    Many NHS doctors, while admitting privately there is a crisis, refuse to speak out for fear of being branded ‘racist’.

    Under the influence of Islam and their politically correct allies our Charter right 2(b) ,freedom of speech ,is rapidly eroding.
    For example M-103 ,the motion to study Islamophobia, has a stifling effect.

    And in the West, the fertility rate is below replacement. This is resulting in a declining population and the need to have immigration to make up the shortfall.

    https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/1...e-disappearing


    Is Europe Choosing to Disappear?

    A clear-eyed U.S. Congressman, Rep. Steve King, correctly said recently that, "You cannot rebuild your civilization with somebody else's babies." He instantly drew that white-hot fire reserved for people who tell truths that threaten treasured fantasies (think Giordano Bruno or Galileo).

    The new data released by Italy's National Institute for Statistics for 2016 sounds again like a death knell. There has been a new negative record of births: 474,000 compared to 486,000 for 2015, which had already fallen to historic lows. There were 608,000 deaths in 2016. In one year, Italy lost 134,000 people -- the equivalent of a city of the size of Ferrara or Salerno.

    The demographic "illusion" is kept only by the influx of immigration (135,000). If one needs an idea of what Italy would be without immigrants, look at Emilia-Romagna, one of Italy's most populated and affluent regions: in 2035 it will have 20% fewer residents.

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    A report by the National Statistical Institute of Spain explained how the Iberian peninsula has become the sick man of Europe: Spain loses 72 inhabitants every day; 20% fewer children are born there than two decades ago. Demographers draw a line where Spain has no future and 30% of the population will be over the age of 65. In some Spanish regions, the fertility rate barely reaches one child per woman. Deaths already exceed births. Even the newspaper El Pais asked, "Are the Spanish people in danger of extinction?". The Spanish government just appointed a "sex czar" to try to figure out how to sustain the shrinking population.

    Spain, in 2050, will be a depopulated nation dominated by older people and singles. The country will lose 5.3 million inhabitants: 11% of the current population. By that time, there will be 1.7 million Spanish children fewer than there are today. No children means that, in the long run, there will be no economic growth or prosperity; democracy will become a gerontocracy and Spain will embrace global irrelevance. Alejandro Macarrón Larumbe, director of the Foundation for Demographic Revival, has provided figures on the number of Spanish provinces that have already seen a loss of population.

    The Islamic world has launched a demographic challenge to a sterile Europe. Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan recently exhorted Muslims in Europe to have five children, "because you are the future of Europe". It echoes what the President of Algeria, Houari Boumedienne, said in 1974: "The wombs of our women will give us victory". They dream of conquering Europe through demography instead of terror -- and it seems they are succeeding.

    Members of a healthy continent, who embrace the future in its most elementary form (raising a new generation), would have never have allowed foreign immigrants carving out separate spheres of sharia law in Europe's multicultural enclaves.
    The Islamification of Europe is inevitable if the current policies are maintained.
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    Most religious people marry within religion (e.g. Catholics) but that does not mean Catholics are an ethnicity.

    Opposition to bad ideas is not the same as opposition to freedom of having bad ideas. Guess it's too subtle.

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    Still, it's a good thing that support for terrorism is limited to war-torn areas. Like the university of British Columbia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by andrewf View Post
    What you quoted does not contradict the point I raised. It's merely a different spin.




    [quteo]Not at all what SPLC said. Their words were: "... the real number of Muslims in terrorist groups was between 85,000 and 106,000. That means that fewer than one in every 15,000 Muslims is part of such a group."
    Regardless, they are wrong to say it is only a trace attitude. These attitudes are held by tens of millions.




    How generous. They only believe other muslims should be stoned for adultery, or executed for leaving Islam.




    You're missing the point if you think terrorism is the problem. The problem is illiberal values that are incompatible with western values.



    When in doubt, call your opponent racist. Islam is not a race or ethnicity. It is a set of ideas. Christianity and Judaism are also bad ideas, but not equally bad. You're indulging in cultural relativism. Who's to say throwing acid in the face of women and mutilating genitals is bad?

    I am all for muslims becoming westernized in values. That means islam, in its current form, needs to go. The people are worth saving, the ideas are vile. Ideas do not have rights and deserve no protection from criticism. We should have sympathy for the people.[/QUOTE]









    The "westernization" of Muslims was the lie that was and is sold to citizens of Sweden, France,etc.-it isn't happening ANYWHERE. Islamic culture is ten times stronger than Canadian culture-jeez we have a "leader" that publicly said Canadian culture is worthless.

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    That was a good post nelley +1.


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