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    Quote Originally Posted by Just a Guy View Post
    Yep, no sign of intelligence, just a steady stream of insulting replies... I remember way back in the 80's there was a parrot AI program came with the sound blaster card, about the same level of reply.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nelley View Post
    Einstein: Of course if you decide to put an AI program in charge of launching nuclear weaponry it just might hurt somebody-what is your point again?
    The point was in my first post in this thread. Learned individuals are concerned that AI may be dangerous. What is your point?
    If you have something to say - then say.

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    Not all experts in this area believe AI will turn into an out- of- control Frankenstein and turn on it's creator.

    From the Frankenstein article above:



    Some claim that Mr Musk’s real worry is market concentration—a Facebook or Google monopoly in AI, say—though he dismisses such concerns as “petty”.
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    Fears about AIs going rogue are not widely shared by people at the cutting edge of AI research. “A lot of the alarmism comes from people not working directly at the coal face, so they think a lot about more science-fiction scenarios,” says Demis Hassabis of DeepMind. “I don’t think it’s helpful when you use very emotive terms, because it creates hysteria.” Mr Hassabis considers the paperclip scenario to be “unrealistic”, but thinks Mr Bostrom is right to highlight the question of AI motivation. How to specify the right goals and values for AIs, and ensure they remain stable over time, are interesting research questions, he says. (DeepMind has just published a paper with Mr Bostrom’s Future of Humanity Institute about adding “off switches” to AI systems.)

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    A meeting of AI experts held in 2009 in Asilomar, California, also concluded that AI safety was a matter for research, but not immediate concern.

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    AI scares people, says Marc Andreessen, because it combines two deep-seated fears: the Luddite worry that machines will take all the jobs, and the Frankenstein scenario that AIs will “wake up” and do unintended things.

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    The idea that machines will “one day wake up and change their minds about what they will do” is just not realistic, says Francesca Rossi, who works on the ethics of AI at IBM. Second, an “intelligence explosion” is considered unlikely, because it would require an AI to make each version of itself in less time than the previous version as its intelligence grows. Yet most computing problems, even much simpler ones than designing an AI, take much longer as you scale them up.
    It appears the Frankenstein scenario is overstated and far in the future . There are very real concerns that AI will be used by the military today
    in unethical fashion. There is also the real possibility that governments today will use facial recognition software
    for surveillance purposes. Also AI can be used for predictions of criminality in sentencing.

    There are fears certain minorities will be discriminated against.

    There are fears of massive job loss and social disruption.
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    Quote Originally Posted by olivaw View Post
    The point was in my first post in this thread. Learned individuals are concerned that AI may be dangerous. What is your point?
    Sure-and self driving trucks may be dangerous-so finally we agree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wraphter View Post
    Not all experts in this area believe AI will turn into an out- of- control Frankenstein and turn on it's creator.

    From the Frankenstein article above:




    It appears the Frankenstein scenario is overstated and far in the future . There are very real concerns that AI will be used by the military today
    in unethical fashion. There is also the real possibility that governments today will use facial recognition software
    for surveillance purposes. Also AI can be used for predictions of criminality in sentencing.

    There are fears certain minorities will be discriminated against.

    There are fears of massive job loss and social disruption.
    Of course-AI is simply a machine-the science fiction part is the machine coming to life (tapping into creative intelligence, possessing self awareness)-can technology be dangerous? Sure it can.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wraphter View Post
    Not all experts in this area believe AI will turn into an out- of- control Frankenstein and turn on it's creator.

    From the Frankenstein article above:




    It appears the Frankenstein scenario is overstated and far in the future . There are very real concerns that AI will be used by the military today
    in unethical fashion. There is also the real possibility that governments today will use facial recognition software
    for surveillance purposes. Also AI can be used for predictions of criminality in sentencing.

    There are fears certain minorities will be discriminated against.

    There are fears of massive job loss and social disruption.
    Certainly there is disagreement.

    The misuse of technology by humans is part of the concern. State and non-state actors may gain access to unprecedented destructive power.

    There are other concerns too. We may be unable to control software that is smarter than us.

    It may not be far into the future. We're probably talking decades, not centuries.

    Skepticism is fine. Certainty is not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by olivaw View Post
    Certainly there is disagreement.

    The misuse of technology by humans is part of the concern. State and non-state actors may gain access to unprecedented destructive power.

    There are other concerns too. We may be unable to control software that is smarter than us.

    It may not be far into the future. We're probably talking decades, not centuries.

    Skepticism is fine. Certainty is not.
    You aren't controlling anything-but some humans will have programmed the software to do a specific thing-dangerous or not. There is no magic, no matter how many cartoons you watch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nelley View Post
    You aren't controlling anything-but some humans will have programmed the software to do a specific thing-dangerous or not. There is no magic, no matter how many cartoons you watch.
    You're thinking simple programs (and calculators). We're talking complex and sophisticated software and advanced hardware.

    Perhaps we should talk about quantum computing next. Or this. Nelley can explain how a quantum computer is a $1.99 calculator and a quantum eraser is a .49 cent Staedler.
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    Quote Originally Posted by olivaw View Post
    You're thinking simple programs (and calculators). We're talking complex and sophisticated software and advanced hardware.

    Perhaps we should talk about quantum computing next. Or this. Nelley can explain how a quantum computer is a $1.99 calculator and a quantum eraser is a .49 cent Staedler.
    Don't be so gullible-a machine is just a machine-nothing magic about it-it just looks like magic to you because you don't understand it.

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    Are humans more than just biological machines? What is magic about humans?


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