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#1 ·
Why is there suddenly such a huge interest in clamping down on fake news?

What really is the make up of fake news and mainstream news?

Is fake news only alt right as it seems to be suggested?

If a site is targeted as fake news is it really all fake?

Many crazy stories like aliens, Bigfoot, ghosts, giants and so on can't be confirmed one way or the other so the site really doesn't have to worry about being debunked. Are these stories put forward to gain views, so viewers will look at the real stories and opinions that the site has to offer?

The mainstream will put some of this stuff out from time to time as well but will leave it to the viewers to decide for themselves as to what they think of it. This also gains viewers for the mainstream sites. These mainstream sites will also promote Hollywood gossip and so on to gain viewers.

Doesn't the mainstream seam to heavily promote certain points like Russia to pump a message whether it is confirmed or not?

Wouldn't you say the rock of both the mainstream and the fake news is the opinions?

Is fake news all fake or is the mainstream media all propaganda or is it really a mix of real news and so called fake news?

Is fake news possibly the wrong term for both the mainstream and the fake news site? It seems since many stories and opinions can't be confirmed that they are what they are until proven otherwise.
 
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#281 ·
We could actually be going into a major warming cycle on the climates schedule whether man was here or not we just don't know.

Notice how CNN and everyone is climbing on to the hate Russia band wagon. The hacking could be true and so is the hacking by everyone else but only Russia is singled out for a reason. War with Russia whether real or a new cold war is a big money maker and that is why everyone is after Russia right now and Trump isn't playing along.
 
#282 ·
I'm trying to figure out why the Russians would risk an unknown like Trump when they could have had an easily bought Hillary (Obama the 3rd) who would bluster but let him do anything he wants just like he has been doing for the last 8 years. If you were a dictator, who would you want as president?
 
#283 ·
Hillary is extremely dangerous to the entire earth and dangerous to Putin and Russia. She is all in on globalism and I do not think Putin wants that let alone having weapons massively moved to its borders. She is also a person that no one I believe wants to deal with on a personal level as well.
 
#287 ·
More fake news from the New York Times:

"WASHINGTON — President-elect Donald J. Trump’s transition staff has issued a blanket edict requiring politically appointed ambassadors to leave their overseas posts by Inauguration Day, according to several American diplomats familiar with the plan, breaking with decades of precedent by declining to provide even the briefest of grace periods."

http://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/05/us/politics/trump-ambassadors.html

What they chose to ignore is the fact that Obama did exactly the same thing in 2008.

"The incoming Obama administration has notified all politically-appointed ambassadors that they must vacate their posts as of Jan. 20, the day President-elect Barack Obama takes the oath of office, a State Department official said.

The clean slate will open up prime opportunities for the president-elect to reward political supporters with posts in London, Paris, Tokyo and the like. The notice to diplomatic posts was issued this week."

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2008/12/obama-gives-political-ambassad.html
 
#288 ·
More fake news from the New York Times:

"WASHINGTON — President-elect Donald J. Trump’s transition staff has issued a blanket edict requiring politically appointed ambassadors to leave their overseas posts by Inauguration Day, according to several American diplomats familiar with the plan, breaking with decades of precedent by declining to provide even the briefest of grace periods."

http://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/05/us/politics/trump-ambassadors.html

What they chose to ignore is the fact that Obama did exactly the same thing in 2008.


another lie from the addled member of the nursing-home quartet in cmf forum.

the NY Times published a pristine set of facts. The only fake element is coming from bass-the-troll.

it's an ironclad rule that politically-appointed diplomats must resign when the White House regime changes. As the NY Times correctly points out, previous presidents have always allowed a grace period. Including president obama.

only a donald trump would swagger like the manic bully he is & rip out important ambassadors before he is even inaugurated.

the sad fact is that it's far better for the US of A to grant the appropriate grace period. All political ambassadors to the top-desired posts - london, paris, canada - have of course made numerous friends in their host countries, no matter whether the president who appointed them was democrat or republican.

in this vein, all such political ambassadors require the grace period of time in order to bid good-bye to their assorted friends & hosts. In a proper transition of power, it's each ambassador's duty to serve washington first & foremost, to politically clean his slate, to tie down whatever files he can, to restore his temporary foreign house to best working condition for occupancy by washington's next envoy.

the sad fact that that trump is once again betraying his colossal ignorance. What he's doing is damaging to US foreign policy.

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#289 ·
humble lacks comprehension:

"The incoming Obama administration has notified all politically-appointed ambassadors that they must vacate their posts as of Jan. 20, the day President-elect Barack Obama takes the oath of office, a State Department official said."

Read it slow if you don't understand it the first time...
 
#290 ·
humble lacks comprehension:

"The incoming Obama administration has notified all politically-appointed ambassadors that they must vacate their posts as of Jan. 20, the day President-elect Barack Obama takes the oath of office, a State Department official said."

please, what are your sources for the above quote?

please don't try your usual trick of telling us to look up the missing information ourselves .:biggrin:

in point of fact, political diplomatic appointees are the scourge of any foreign service. When the plum appointments go to special friends of a US president, this gravy payola only serves to discourage & demoralize the ranks of professional career diplomats serving in foggy bottom.

canada has never had as many political dipso postings as the US, whose appointments border on the scandalous


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#301 ·
no, you added that 2nd link later. Notice your "edited" add-on, which you cannot remove.

me i had replied to your post exactliy as you first posted it, with only the New York Times article & your lie about the same.

the sum & essence of your message has not changed. It was & remains a typical purpose-twisted bass-ackwards lie.

we have fairly new legislation in canada against deliberately spewing lies in the internet, are you aware of that fact?


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#296 ·
What they chose to ignore is the fact that Obama did exactly the same thing in 2008.

"The incoming Obama administration has notified all politically-appointed ambassadors that they must vacate their posts as of Jan. 20, the day President-elect Barack Obama takes the oath of office, a State Department official said.

The clean slate will open up prime opportunities for the president-elect to reward political supporters with posts in London, Paris, Tokyo and the like. The notice to diplomatic posts was issued this week."

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2008/12/obama-gives-political-ambassad.html[/QUOTE]



It does say in the first sentence that Obama told them to depart on Jan 20 unless I am missing something.

Sorry but the post above is from bass except the sentence above.
 
#309 ·
<sigh> Dare I suggest the taunting, insulting and tit-for-tat be given a rest.

I'd like to assume we all have better things to spend our time on when we are typing and reading.
Certainly Humble who has been here for many years has demonstrated that. We're counting on newer members to be here for the right reasons as well. Given the laxity of admin oversight nowadays, let's learn from The Lord of the Flies, not relive it.
 
#311 ·
onlyMO i absolutely do not start the taunts or the insults! no one has encouraged cmffers more than i have.

but the forum has been invaded - pretty near hijacked by now - by trolls.

i don't happen to recall if you were an active member on here before the 2014 olympic games in Sochi, but if you were, you would have noticed that those games were the very last moment when cmf forum ever acted together as a healthy, happy, sharing community.

prior to that watershed moment in march 2014, there were even cmffers who used to post on here that they were members of "a family."

immediately after Sochi came crimea & the gaza war. Soon, the neocon krypto nazi posts surfaced. More trolls arrived.

there was no end to the list of troll hatreds. Trolls hated: canada, ottawa, stephen harper, justin trudeau, canadian foreign policy, canadian military policy, arabs, moslems, refugees, canadian laws, canadian gays, canadian income taxes, canadian aboriginal persons, canadians wearing turban headgear, more arabs, more moslems, more refugees, the US of A, barack obama, russia, vladimir putin, more arabs, more moslems, more refugees, turkey, syria, lebanon, saudi arabia, iran, iraq, dubai, the UAE, qatar & of course more arabs, more moslems & more refugees.

eventually trolls on here began posting that canadian soldiers are cowards. That was the point where i began to resist. Trolls on that extreme scale are traitors to this country imho.

flash forward & there are now more trolls than ever before. Trolls such as the ones in this thread who post nothing but obscene lies & fierce insults night & day. Trolls who openly brag that they have serious drinking problems. Furthermore i cannot recall a single troll in this thread who ever posted an item of value on a financial topic. Alas their only currency is verbal abuse.

the first valuable financial expert to leave because of the trolls was moneyGal. She left, she said publicly, because of the "shout-y" people. We all know who she meant. The loudest shouter of all is still a member of the forum, although the moderators have managed to shut down the worst of his rageaholic attacks.


onlyMO, what are you trying to claim? another group of long-time valuable cmf members with financial expertise are preparing to depart right now, because of the trolls. Are you saying that we should all give up, leave this place entirely to the trolls, who will be able to happily plaster their infowars graffiti til the cows come home? it would certainly surprise me that you might be one who would ask for mob rule by a gang of thugs, goons & addled allzie patients, though.

however, it is possible that this might be the cmf forum future. The finance threads are weak these past few months. Folks are drained to their bones by the horrifying likes of the nelleys, the basses, the newdogcoms, the rusties & other ruffians. Perhaps the remaing good folks who actually do care about other people, who respect other people, should pack up now & leave.


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#315 ·
sags said: "The largest piece of ice is about to break off the Antarctica coastline. It is the size of the State of Delaware and will alter the shape of the continent."

How can a piece of floating ice "alter the shape of the continent"? It's ice off the coastline, and is not a part of the land mass.

That's nothing but fake news intended to mislead. But, I guess I'm a troll for pointing out a deliberate lie intended to obscure a well-known fact... :)

Perhaps those who spread lies like this need to be banned, instead of those who refute those lies with truth??
 
#319 ·
More fake news from the left....the omission of the attacker's race and the reference to Trump is a deliberate and disgusting attempt to make people think that white Trump supporters were responsible. This is how CBS Radio News reported the vicious torturing of a white man at the hands of 4 black people:

"The viral video of a beating and knife attack in Chicago suggests the assault had racial overtones. CBS’s Dean Reynolds tells us the victim is described as a mentally challenged teenager.

In the video, he is choked and repeatedly called the n-word. His clothes are slashed and he is terrorized with a knife. His alleged captors repeatedly reference Donald Trump. Police are holding four people in connection with the attack."

Link to audio. Go to 1:28:

http://www.kgoradio.com/2017/01/05/armstrong-getty-brick-and-mortar-sales-are-down-bigly/

Shouldn't someone be fired?
 
#320 ·
Large chunks of the MSM still operate like it is 1977, not 2017-they will lie about stuff even when proof of their lying has gone viral-the same thing happened with Crooked Hillary's freeze up/collapse on 9/11-parts of the MSM tried to lie and call it a faint even after the video went viral. With all these lies their credibility drops every day.
 
#324 ·
I am against insulting people, name calling and foul language on the forum and have said it repeatedly and have defended others who have been attacked. This thread in no way promotes these sorts of actions and I haven't taken part in any of it.

This thread is meant to raise attention against censorship which is even being promoted here on this thread by some people. It is also meant to expose the alternative and the main stream media for their false stories or propaganda. A few posts back I linked a story from Info Wars which I thought was fake news and said so on the post so people are aware of it. I also like some of the reports that info wars puts out exposing the mainstream media and others.

Fake news and censorship that is being promoted today is very dangerous to our finances and portfolios. If everything is censored then you will only have access to information that may be propaganda from the government, companies and promoters. Governments could push climate change through the censored media that we buy into and costs us all a great deal of money. They could push bad laws, trade deals and taxes that could hurt everyones finances and portfolios and we may not be aware of it because of the propaganda and promotions.

I would like everyone here to post and say what they want in a civil matter whether I agree with you or not. Read my posts against james4beach and you would think we don't like each other but really we respect each others opinion and he is only one of two on my friends list.
 
#329 ·
I am against insulting people, name calling and foul language on the forum and have said it repeatedly
Good natured teasing is OK. In fact it can be positive. My friendly debates in the real world contain plenty of good natured jabs that serve to keep things light. Intent matters though. If the intent is to lighten the mood then it is constructive. If it is to disrupt the conversation then it is not.


This thread is meant to raise attention against censorship which is even being promoted here on this thread by some people. It is also meant to expose the alternative and the main stream media for their false stories or propaganda. A few posts back I linked a story from Info Wars which I thought was fake news and said so on the post so people are aware of it. I also like some of the reports that info wars puts out exposing the mainstream media and others.

Fake news and censorship that is being promoted today is very dangerous to our finances and portfolios. If everything is censored then you will only have access to information that may be propaganda from the government, companies and promoters. Governments could push climate change through the censored media that we buy into and costs us all a great deal of money. They could push bad laws, trade deals and taxes that could hurt everyones finances and portfolios and we may not be aware of it because of the propaganda and promotions.
I am not sure that anybody has called for censorship. There has been discussion about forum moderation but that is entirely different from government censorship. We have no right to absolute free speech on a privately owned forum.

My own posts are a warning based upon what I have seen on other forums. If we can't maintain civility then the moderators may need to step in. The problem is that moderators don't have the time to read every post by every member. Often, they engage in a temporary heavy handed crackdown. In some cases they simply shut down a forum that has been invaded by racists, trolls or bullies.

I would like everyone here to post and say what they want in a civil matter whether I agree with you or not.
Agreed.

On the topic. I think you, nelley, bass and pluto are mistaken. Your argument appears to be that professional media outlets fall short of the ideal of objectivity and accuracy. You assign a sort of ethical equivalence to sites that have no commitment to objectivity and accuracy.

It's like giving equal weight to the medical opinion of a doctor and a random stranger in a bar. It's reasonable to seek a second opinion, but the second opinion needs to be trustworthy.
 
#325 ·
Well stated, new dog.

People on both side have to understand that both sides of the media will report the facts, but there are also those who stretch the truth, lie by omission, or blatantly ignore certain news items....it depends on the source. Also, the other side is not wrong 100% of the time, and will even be more accurate on occasion. Not only look at what is reported, but pay attention to what isn't reported and to what seems to be missing. Imagine that the story being reported is about a politician or a science related topic on the other side of the issue and ask yourself honestly if you would be happy with how they covered it.

It gets heated here. I apologize for getting too caught up in the debate. Let's all try to play nicer...
 
#331 ·
Here is an example of how CBS radio reported the kidnapping incident and made it sound like the perpetrators were white and the victim was black.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QfuXM9usnM

Anyway I agree the mainstream is more professional and have the budget to better serve us the news. Alt media obviously can't serve us like the mainstream can. However the mainstream has to be held in check from their opinions and propaganda they can send out. My post above explains the importance of free speech and how it can serve us.

On the lighter stuff I agree with you it isn't that bad. Nelley calls you a sheep and you call nelley something else and that is not a serious thing I don't think. I don't think you have ever engaged in the over the top stuff.
 
#333 ·
Many it seems, no matter the glaring evidence, will not accept anything unless it comes from a left leaning media source.

The scary thing however is the ability of left media sources to sell anything to those who follow them. One day they say war is wrong and the next day they say it is right and people will follow it. If tomorrow they decide Russia is fine then it is fine even if nothing has changed. Right now they are focused on Russia so that the war machine can stay healthy by mentioning the hacking even though everyone is doing it including the US.

What about Obama approving a huge uranium shipment to Iran from Russia. Why does this seem fine? I suppose as long as Obama does it all is good.

http://www.dailywire.com/news/12249/obamas-final-gift-uranium-headed-iran-hank-berrien
 
#334 ·
new dog:

Don't forget the $10 billion in gold and cash he has also given Iran...although, some people claim that the amount is much more than that. And, of course, last week he threw Israel under the bus.

Meryl Streep's predictable "I'm outraged" speech at the Golden Globes trashing Trump was more newsworthy than the US approving the sale of 130 tons of uranium to Iran. Of course, this is very same Meryl Streep who stood and applauded when rapist/pedophile Roman Polanski received an award.

I'm baffled...at what point do people start opening their eyes?
 
#336 ·
What's next for Obama? He still has 11 days left to cause as much havoc as possible. It frightens me to speculate on how much more damage can he do.

And, how long will the professional journalists of the mainstream media that some people love so much sit silently while Obama does everything in his power to destroy the world?
 
#344 ·
What's next for Obama? He still has 11 days left to cause as much havoc as possible.
He must really hate America, right bass player?

Do you have any theories on why Obama hates America so much? I mean from your perspective. Personally I don't think Obama hates America.

That thing he did where he tried to bring healthcare to America, that was really malicious - dontya think?
 
#349 ·
Of course you ignore that:

- he betrayed Israel, a friend of the US
- he approved Iran getting 130 tons of Uranium
- he has given Iran at least $10 billion in gold and cash
- he did nothing and is still doing nothing while North Korea arms itself with nukes
- he is starting a cold war with Russia over unproven election hacking claims
- he has set back race relations more than any president in history
- etc...

But hey...that Obamacare is really cool.
 
#351 ·
Of course you ignore that:

- he has given Iran at least $10 billion in gold and cash
This is, of course, a lie. It is in reference to Obama UNFREEZING Iranian assets in exchange for concessions on their nuclear program. The US can't legally steal Iranian assets, so they never belonged to the US, and thus were not 'given', by Obama or anyone else, to Iran.
 
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